Graphic analysis "Horizon":

i suppose the game starts early...

The game starts at 12.00 hrs that is 18.00 hrs Manilla time.

Does anybody know, is it a new idea to take the exchange before playing 12 ... 14-19 13. 20-15 10-14 14. 41-37 or has it been done before?

@JP: I don't know, it gives white the extra opportunity to develop the right wing with 39-33 (as played). I don't see a real advantage of making the exchange eraly.

The position after 17.39-33 is already known, from the game between B.Lemmens-B.Wollaert (1999; 2-0). 

The position after 15...18x27 is already known, from 23 earlier games (see Turbo Dambase).

@Arjen Timmer
But has it been played by grandmasters, and if so, what could possibly be the idea behind this move, apart from provoking the opponent?

Georgiev-Clerc (leeuwarden 4kamp 1997)
16.41-37 8-12 17.20-15 12-18 18.39-33 7-12 19.44-39 14-19 (1-1)

Maybe the possibilty to make a backward exchange after for example 8-12, 40-35 and then 14-20 etc. Also, it makes the plan 40-35 followed by 34-30x30 less attractive because of the open field 19.

More moves of the game Georgiev-Clerc:
20.34-30 25x34
21.39x30 11-17 22.40-34 6-11 23.33-29 2-7 24.38-33 21-26 25.43-38 10-14
26.49-43 17-21 27.45-40 11-16 28.47-41 18-22 29.29x18 12x23 30.33-29 22-28
31.29x18 13x22 32.40-35 19-23 33.30-24 9-13 34.34-30 14-20 35.24-19 23x14
36.15x24 7-12 37.37-31 26x37 38.41x23 13-18 39.23-19 14x23 40.30-25 3-9
41.24-20 23-29 42.35-30 22-28 43.20-15 9-14 44.30-24 29x20 45.15x24 12-17
46.38-33 28x39 47.43x34 17-22 48.46-41 22-28 49.34-29 27-31 50.36x27 21x32
51.24-20 14-19 52.20-15 16-21 53.41-36 21-26 54.29-24 19x30 55.25x34 18-22
56.42-37 32x41 57.36x47 28-33 58.47-42 22-27 59.42-38

@JP: Maybe the question should be: why do players usually first play 14-19 and 10-14 before the exchange? Why wait with the exchange?

In the Russian Championship of 2006, Georgiev (with white) and Schwarzman played almost the same opening:
1.33-29 17-22 2.39-33 11-17 3.44-39 6-11 4.50-44 1-6 5.31-26 16-21 6.32-28 19-23 7.28x19 14x23 8.35-30 10-14 9.30-24 5-10 10.37-31 20-25 11.24-20 15x24 12.29x20 14-19 13.20-15 10-14 14.40-35 22-27 15.31x22 17x28 16.26x17 12x21 17.33x22 18x27 18.44-40 13-18 19.41-37 etc. with a draw at the end.

In case black decides to first play 14-19 20-15 etc. He gives white the opportunity to make a capital mistake (although not very likely to be made):
33-29??? after which black dictates a victory:
22-28!
a) After 42-37 or 41-37  28-33 and 14-20 +
b) After 38-32 17-22 14-20 19x30 +
c) 38-33 14-20 33x22 17x28 26x17 11x22 15x24 19x30 with the decisive threat 28-33+
d) 31-27 21x32 38x27 14-20 and again the decisive threat with 28-33+

Except that 35 has not yet occupied and that white has 1 less piece one his right wing, which could be an advantage for Georgiev

Computer is favoring 27. 34-29 23x34 28. 40x29 and now 12-18? is forbidden

Keller again. Spectacular!
JP asks why the 22-27 Tsjizjow exchange was taken two moves earlier than usual. Well, the explanation is simple. Now white can't take the 34-30 exchange like in the first keller-game in this match!
Therefore if you want to play 22-27 it is sharper to play it at once in stead of waiting for two moves. 
In Delft Georgiev lost the Keller-opening game 9 - 1  and it could have been the full 10 - 0. Such a pity this tournament is cancelled.

If the organization is reading this, can the cameras be zoomed in more closely and at the same time keep displaying all four points of view at one time?
Curious about the facial expressions and perspective directly on and around the board. Spasiba!

Actually I'd rather see the Draughts-Beast play the main line of the modern Keller. 
I see dym is present, the transformed dom. Or is it Dybman? Can we expect some spectacular shots from you today, Dym? 

This position emerged in Lemmen - Wollaert. After 23-28? white took a shot.

Wil Georgiev make his move with more or less than 10 minutes left. Time is running out.

Nice one all the way to 1.

In my opinion the white Keller is onely interesting for players withe a (much) higher ranking  than their opponents. Tremendous timetrouble. I hope it will be a decision today.

what happened to the camera?

This is a funny one from Kousemaker - Storm. After blakc's last move 18... 7 - 12? a storm went over the board.

Nestor I can see the camera everything works fine.

Wat is wrong wit 33.25-30?
Am i missing something

Because of several zooms on the clock: can the camera also zoom in on the face of Georgiev and on the face of Schwarzman?

Really really zoom in on the faces please.
33. 25-30 34x25 23x39 38-33 or something?

I mean 33....25-30 34.35x24 14-20!! etc.

Yes Rein but of course white will take the other way.
And then I don't know about advantage for black?

After 33...25-30? the following variant is interesting: 34.35x24 14-20 35.43-39 18-22?? 36.29x18 20x40 37.49-44! 40x49 38.47-41 etc. W+

34.... 23-28 and 43-39 is forbidden because of 25-30 28-32 27-31?

Again what's wrong with 35...23-28?

stop with those zooms of the clock there not interesting we can see these also with the applet

I think 35... 23-28! is okay. White can take 36-31 29-23 38-32 32x3 but the endagme is much better for black.

27-32 played also with big advantage for the Beast. position georgiev is critical, dear viewers!

Looking at Horizons stats this game was to difficult for both grandmasters.

Magnificent suspense though.

What does the referee with the clock?

What a pity! The game is a draw now, although it is very strange that Georgiev played 47-41?! fast at 52th move! He could have calculated an easier draw by 42-38! 
We have to look where Schwarzman could have won the game! He didn't have much time left in the last difficult moves before the 50th move. It seems that 48... 17-21 was a mistake. Both 19-23 and 17-22 result in a difficult defence for white, but probably still not lost.

I an just connected. What I see is a big adavantage for A. Schwarzman.

Perhaps the first win of the wkdammen ?

Sorry my friend, this match will and in a draw

Permal, 42-38 and then?

I don't think so Jacques, Georgiev will never lose this drawing position anymore, he is the best defender in the world! That's why Tsjizjow couldn't beat him twice. Tsjizjow said that he would have won the match against anybody, but Georgiev defended all bad positions and eventually wore Tsjizjow down. Will Georgiev try to wear The Beast down too? He's been taking huge amounts of risk again today! 
You missed a great fight today in the Keller Jacques!

@Tjalling: instead of 48.17-21:  48.17-22 and then a really funny draw would have been: 42-38 49.32x43 39x48 50.27-32 48-43 51.22-27 43-39! 52.32-38 39-33!! 53.38-43 47-42!!! =

Please refresh your screen with f5 to get the new live server from Twenterand

You are right. It was just a first  point of view after just my first connection.

But wait and see. Remember MANCHESTER-BAYERN in final of European Champion's league. Everything is possible.

Hello Geb, after refreshing I lost my video.

with 53. 42-38 Georgiev walks away from the database draw

On the 45th move, black could have played the almost certainly winning 9-13! After 46. 43-39 11-16, the white game plan 47. 38-33 is then prohibited by 19-23-29!! and 25x43. So white has to play  47. 42-37 13-18 48. 38-33 18-22 The only way for white to prevent from grinding down is 49. 37-31 27x36 50. 33-29 28-32 51. 47-41 36x47 52. 29-24 47x20 53. 15x13 with a lost endgame.

Dim you forgot to click on the Code button again.

same comment for ReinH

Draughtfan, the referee split up the running time after  both players perfect their notes

Georgiev may have walked away from database draw but Schwarzman doesn't look like a believer right now.

Why not 31 37 and then 16 22?

For a diagram: You have to click on code before you insert the link provided by www.fmjd.org/dias etc  in the input-field.
Click on code again. If you see the dia in the inputfield, then you have done it correctly.

And...how the Demiurgo use to say in this positions: "HERE YOU CAN'T WIN !!!"

finally! thanks Piet
(this was possible after 48...17-22 42-38 x x 2732 4843 2227 4339 3238 3933 3843 4742!  see dia, black to play: =)

what to do if black plays 31-37??

31-37 3731!

if 31.37, Whites could play 38-32

i think its still a draw...

31-37 (36-31) 37-41 +

3137 3631, 3741 29-24 draw

What if 22 28  28 33?

still i think 
If Schwarzman doesn't win this 
Georgiev will be the new draughts champion

@permal, na 55. 31-37 en wit 38-32, 37*28 56. 29-23 volgt zwart met 22-27 and opposition win

No Jacques after 54.... 31-37 55. 38-32??? 37x28 56. 29-23 22-27! 57. 23x21 26x17 58. 36-31 17-22 it is opposition and black wins.

after 54.31-37 Not 38-32 and 29-23 because that loses to 22-27!

15-10

I think Schwarzman didn't play 54.31-37 because white can play 55.36-31 37-41 (37-42 xx 29-24 19-23 34-29 =) 29-24 xx and black can't get a kig at 47.

Oh you are right !! I am blind today !!!

Daan Lex and I have proven that understanding (a bit of) draughts gives a lot of satisfaction. 

I think Schwarzman is going to offer a draw again, but Georgiev is away.

After 31-37 simply 29-24 = follows.

Look at Horizon! What happened?

Tjalling is right, even easier.

Hey Koos, you are famous, your picture is at the forum! 

whaha what is that on the cam?

Nice to see how Woulf Barkel poors a glass of milk in his thirsty throat. Don't forget to watch the Barkel-clip on Youtube LOL!  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmiWcylMGC0

Na 56 29-24, wint dan 37-42 en na slaan 42-47!!

@tjalling: which forum?

37 42, 4 9,42 48?

@daan: no, white can simply play 33-28

kees rijk?

draw

watch the analyse!

Nee, Kees van Nie

The World Draughts forum of course, my young friend.   http://laatste.info/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2507&start=45

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Uit de analyse valt op te maken dat Schwarzman zwaar teleurgesteld is. Hij heeft het zicht niet meer, en mist een door Georgiev 2x aangegeven damvangst!

new draughts champion will be Alexander Georgiev Schwarzman has allready given away a good positions in 3 games, that's going to hunt him !!  

Tnx Tjalling. Heb het zelf geschreven dat verslag. Leuk om te horen dat het een mooi verslag is!

In my opinion it's always a draw. What's the variant of 'Horizon'? Flits gives 0.04 for black.

Georgiev trying to traumatize his opponent even more during the analysis. All part of the wearing out strategy...

@Koos 
Jij bent goed bezig met dammen! Enthousiastelingen als jij kunnen we goed gebruiken in de damwereld. Geinig ook dat er een toernooi in Duitsland was.

Dit zijn de opmerkingen van Flits over deze partij: 09. 05-10 (-39) beter is 11-16 36-31 13-19 24x13 08x19 29-24 20x29 33x13 03-08 41-36 08x19 34-29 23x34 40x29 05-10 (0)
10. 37-31 (-6) beter is 33-28 22x33!39x19 14x23 38-32 11-16 37-31 07-11 31-27 10-14 44-39 14-19 42-38 19x30 34x14 23x34 (34)
50. 21-26 (7) beter is 27-32 48-42 13-18 29-24 19-23 34-29 25x34 29x40 18-22 24-20 23-28 20-14 32-38 42x33 28x39 (60)
52. 47-41 (-47) beter is 42-38 31-37 38-33 13-18 33-28 26-31 29-24 31-36 24x22 37-41 22-17 41-46 28-22 46-23 17-11 23x40 (0)

@Tjalling. Bedankt! Ik neem aan dat je overmorgen meedoet met het NK? (zal anders is in dat boekje gaan kijken). Ja klopt, gaan we nu voor de 2e keer heen. Heel gezellig toernooi. Dit keer zonder Bert Habets, die verbleef in Salou. Ik ga maar weer is. Tot de volgende pot.

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Schwarzman heeft de goede variant gevonden.

Waarom geeft Horizon aan dat het gewonnen is voor Zwart?

I would like to appeal to the users of this commentroom that they make comments at the game and withold personal maybe grieving comments on other users, players or people of the organisation.
Otherwise we have to close this function.

sorry but after missing 3 chances , i really think that Georgiev will win, what did i do wrong,then??        

Sorry Groeneveld, i think that i deleted one comment to much. 

@ Piet Bouma  +Horizon: Waarom die 2 pieken op het laatst?